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The Beatz Awards

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There are so many awards out there that are being awarded to entities but an award's significance isn't solely determined by the prestige of the awarding entity or the notable recipients. Instead, verifiable evidence from reliable sources is required to substantiate claims of notability. These sources must specifically focus on the award itself, providing in-depth information. Sources primarily highlighting award recipients rather than the award itself don't establish notability. Overall, technically fails WP:GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:47, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music, Awards, Entertainment, and Nigeria. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:47, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Simply clicking on the News tab above brings up articles about the yearly nominees, for several years. This even has been going on for almost a decade and has yearly press coverage in the country, in several RS. Seems to pass notability Oaktree b (talk) 15:07, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I'm also finding sigcov. The Punch is solely about the award itself. Music in Africa lists the nominees, but it opens with the structure of the awards platform. Bella Naija makes explicit and evidenced claims of notability. The Guardian Nigeria is about the awards themselves, as is Nigerian Tribune. Anerdw (talk) 15:28, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. The award has press coverage in media --Kopnakolicti (talk) 07:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: does not appear to have valid secondary sources to prove WP:GNG. The sources cited are notorious for Brown envelope journalism. Furthermore, Newspapers published in Nigeria explains a bit about the media environment in Nigeria. BellaNaija is a fashion blog, not a credible news source. Punch and Guardian are equally unreliable. m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 23:52, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Mamani1990, BellaNaija is a reliable source, see this recent consensus. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:59, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Mamani1990, The Punch and The Guardian are unreliable according to who? Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 08:53, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!}, @Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia: I didn't know that I needed to justify my vote to contributors, this is the first time I've been called out in an AfD. I disagree that BellaNaija is a reliable source. They are a notorious abuser of brown envelope journalism, they will write about anyone claiming notability for a fee. I've been involved in too many AfDs to count to prove this point: [[1]], [[2]], [[3]], [[4]]. The Punch and The Guardian also heavily participate in brown envelope journalism which makes me say that they are unreliable, according to me. Even if we were to consider them sometimes reliable, this particular article does not have enough sources to prove notability. Only 2 out of the 6 sources have by lines and they appear to be only superficial, no in-depth coverage of the notability of this award. m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 13:16, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Mamani1990, I am not calling you out; I asked an innocent simple question, you need to have evidence to backup your claim. BellaNaija discloses paid articles as required, so, you need to point out why you think they’re unreliable. While The Guardian might be involved in shady practices, The Punch has the highest editorial standard amongst the popular mainstream media in Nigeria and I’m talking from experience, you can try to lure them out if you can—sorry if I have digressed. But my point is, if you want to deprecate a source, there should be evidence of wrongdoings from their end and not merely because you feel so. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 06:05, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia, thank you for your clarification. Again, I disagree with you in regards to BellaNaija. They are unreliable. They do not disclose whether they have been paid for articles or not. Here is some evidence from recent AfDs that ended with deletions to back up my claim:

Teju Babyface: [5], [6].

Izin Akioya: [7], [8]

Tobi Asehinde: [9], [10]

m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 10:51, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Mamani1990, what are you saying? This clearly states that it was published for free at the end. And I don’t know why you think that those articles were sponsored, I sincerely do not know. Like I said earlier, BellaNaija marks sponsored articles at the end of each post; they always do. This piece published 2 months ago was marked as sponsored at the end of the post. If you read down, you’d see other contents that were sponsored. BBC for example makes errors in reporting and majority of the time, they don’t even use byline yet no one questions their reliability without any evidence. While I don’t have any opinion on this subject, trying to disregard reliable sources with flawed arguments should not be encouraged, please. Keep up your good work and stay safe. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 12:19, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Reading Beans, what I'm saying is that BellaNaija is unreliable. Since when has BellaNaija instituted this policy of marking sponsored articles? Since its founding in 2006? Do you have more evidence to back this up? Trying to make a false equivalence argument to the BBC is headed towards a slippery slope. The BBC has a history of over a century and regularly retracts and posts about their errors here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/helpandfeedback/corrections_clarifications/ . Does BellaNaija?

In my opinion, questioning the overall reliability and integrity of Nigerian newspapers and fashion blogs, is not flawed. There is a systemic problem of Brown envelope journalism in Newspapers published in Nigeria. The evidence is cited in those articles. Next (Nigeria) is a great story about the only newspaper in Nigeria that tried to do it differently and failed. But won the Pulitzer.

Thank you for your comments and good work as well. Cheers, m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 12:43, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Mamani1990, I don’t have the time to look for their policy. If an outlet has shown a pattern of disclosing sponsored posts, then what other problem do you have? Since when has winning Pulitzer Award been an equivalent to reliable? You are merely insinuating that African newspapers now need validation from Western institutions and I’m offended by this mere comparison, I can’t lie. I believe that some users understands my point and this is where I draw the line in this conversation. Happy editing. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 14:35, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry if I offended you, it was not my intent. I appreciate this discussion and want to clarify my Pulitzer reference wasn't about Western validation, but about demonstrating verifiable journalistic standards. This is something Wikipedia requires from all sources. Next Nigeria earned credibility by exposing local corruption, not by seeking foreign approval. Regarding BellaNaija, my concerns are specific to their lack of editorial transparency: no visible corrections process, inconsistent sponsorship disclosures, and primarily being a fashion platform covering non-fashion topics. Even the most prominent Western entertainment blog Perez Hilton isn't accepted as a valid/reliable source. Thank you for the thoughtful exchange. Best, m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 23:03, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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